Friday, March 14, 2008

Milans comment about Flickr v Facebook

I only found this out last night from my fellow interviewee Adam Maguire but it may well change Milan and many many others idea of using facebook to show off your images.

One of the things Matt Cooper seemed to consistantly ask was about privacy on Flickr, Adam answered this very well, that within Flickr when you upload an image you can decide to keep it private, show to family, show to friends (your contacts within flickr) or go public. So how private do you want your photos to be is up to you.

Milans comment went something like this

Have to say though I also think flickr is a load of bollocks. There's a reason more people use facebook for photographs than flickr. I found it very limited and slow and it wouldn't let me split pictures into albums without paying so I just used it once and moved on.


This is true the amount of people using Facebook now for photo sharing between friends is phenomenal but did you read the terms and conditions!!!!

This is where Adam nearly made me jump of my seat while waiting to go into studio, at first I did not believe it but I have check the T+C's myself and he aint bullshitting and I advise everyone who reads this post to read the next LONG copy and paste I am about to do from the facebook terms and conditions which before today I had never really looked at (who does)


User Content Posted on the Site

You are solely responsible for the photos, profiles (including your name, image, and likeness), messages, notes, text, information, music, video, advertisements, listings, and other content that you upload, publish or display (hereinafter, "post") on or through the Service or the Site, or transmit to or share with other users (collectively the "User Content"). You may not post, transmit, or share User Content on the Site or Service that you did not create or that you do not have permission to post. You understand and agree that the Company may, but is not obligated to, review the Site and may delete or remove (without notice) any Site Content or User Content in its sole discretion, for any reason or no reason, including User Content that in the sole judgment of the Company violates this Agreement or the Facebook Code of Conduct, or which might be offensive, illegal, or that might violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of users or others. You are solely responsible at your sole cost and expense for creating backup copies and replacing any User Content you post or store on the Site or provide to the Company.

When you post User Content to the Site, you authorize and direct us to make such copies thereof as we deem necessary in order to facilitate the posting and storage of the User Content on the Site. By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content. Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.


So you have this in paragraph one :

You are solely responsible for the photos, profiles (including your name, image, and likeness), messages, notes, text, information, music, video, advertisements, listings, and other content that you upload, publish or display (hereinafter, "post") on or through the Service or the Site, or transmit to or share with other users (collectively the "User Content").


Thats all well and good and pretty normal. Paragraph 2 is where it gets bad, basically you are handing them the rights to everything you put up on facebook your photos, videos etc and even if you delete stuff or leave facebook they can still through backups use your content for
an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing


So nope, I think Flickr is the right way to go and Milan put up with the speed for your own privacys sake.

7 comments:

  1. I "heart" flickr. I "heart" it so much I pay to use it. It's brilliant. It looks so much better than picasa or fotopic (which looks ancient) or the fishy one by HP and I'm not a member of facebook so...

    I love it, I love it! I'm not a photographer, not even an amateur one, I just love to photograph/ record everything I do and put it in little sets and collections. OOOh I love it....I love sending the links to my friends, I occasionally join little groups and make contacts (but not much) and I've even had one of my photos of the Dublin mountains chosen for Schmap!! Love it! Love it!

    OK I'll stop now, you get the idea.

    Shan I missed your interview :-(

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  2. Ash it can be found here.

    I have only begun to look into the pro advantages of Flickr and like yourself I love it too.

    Spoke to others about the whole facebook thing and it stinks of being illegal, also I think quite a few folk will be taking images off it now and may stop uploading there also.

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  3. I think a once a year payment of about 20 dollars for a "pro" account on flickr is very little for what you're getting. The word "pro" is probably a bit off-putting too?! It's implies professionalism and most people I know on flickr have pro accounts and they're just normal picture-takers like me!

    I loved taking part in things like "24 hours of flickr" and reading the forums etc. Love it, love it.....

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  4. Strange. Flickr doesn't appeal to me at all.

    Shan - I don't know if this is scarey enough to get past my lazy toe-ragness or to accept flickr. I did use kodakgallery for years but they make you pay every so often or else they delete your account, which is rubbish. It's like HO is always saying, you have to be very careful what you put online and i'm not really.

    However, if they're actions are illegal will somebody challenge them and will it be all ok?

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  5. Milan I know what will convince you of the brilliance of flickr: I will introduce you to my Moo stickers next time we meet. My other blog has it's own set:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/aquaasho/sets/72157603239248554/

    Cute or what? I give them out to random sporty strangers at races to try get them to read the blog. Good idea eh? Good way to meet blokes too.... not that I would be at that of course...

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  6. Very nice. Why are they called Moo stickers?

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